four individuals who have a depth of experience in these matters that, i think, is unrivaled in the city. i'll introduce them briefly so they can turn it over to the discussion. i'll lead off with no particular order, james walden speaking first, working in the house of representatives and the senate, serving as the senate hearing committee. he's an adjunct professor in the department of politics in the congressional and presidential studies program at catholic university. he's gotmuy a degree with the university of scot lat, and a ph.d., and authored numerous publications. second speaker is norm, really doesn't need and introduction, writes for with the roll call," and he's an analyst at cbs news, author of several books which they may have read, "the broken branch: how the congress is failing america," "it's worse than it looks how the american constitutional system collided with the new politics of extremism." he's been quotedded probably too many times for any data base to collect in one place. in the 1990s, there was an article i was in somewhere quoted, and you were quoted, and yo